OMFGGGG We Worked on the Laundry Room Floor!

I'm not going to lie - it felt weird actually WORKING ON THE HOUSE on Saturday. We haven't in a really long time and I hope this helps light a fire under our ass a little bit to continue with the laundry room progress. It sort of has to actually seeing as we can't really do any laundry at the moment...but more on that in a bit.

Our laundry room has been sitting in need of the rest of the floor to be installed for a year now

And let us not forget that we actually purchased this flooring FIVE YEARS AGO


But the point of this story is the OMFG that we got it done, so let's get back to making me feel a bit better about myself :)

Saturday morning Chris and I flew around the house and purged and cleaned and played with the little rascal that is Zoe

And we were quite excited for the afternoon (or at least I was) because after her nap Chris' mom swung by to pick her up for some grandma fun while we...drumroll please....worked on the house! It was finally time to get to that floor

That of course meant first getting everything disconnected and moved out of the area of the room that we would be working on. And thank goodness for furniture straps because that fucking washing machine was not light

Nothing like moving a washer in dryer that have been in place for 5 years to show you how disgusting your floor is

We had forgotten about this little patch in the floor that needed to be repaired behind the dryer

So while Chris worked on that, I cleaned up the room a bit - I swept and sponged the floor of disgustingness and got all of our materials and tools ready. Then it was time to patch the floor by the slider and behind the dryer

I guess this step is technically not required, but in order for the floor to lay more properly we at least wanted to get things on close to the same plane. It's not perfect by any means at all (what, you can't tell from that above pic?) but it certainly improved things a ton and now the new floor won't rock underneath the shake of the dryer.

While we waited for the patches to dry we did a skim coat on the walls and ceiling (we don't like the original texture we went with in here 5 years ago)

With the two of us working on it together we got the skim coat done in about 45 minutes, so that's pretty awesome. The best part? The patches were dry by the time we finished, so it was..........time to work on the floor! YAY!

Let me tell you, Chris was not super excited to work on this project. We took this task two separate ways: I was completely excited to get started because it had been on our to do list for SO LONG and I just wanted it to get done more than anything. Chris on the other hand wanted it to just be done more than anything :) And whenever a new project starts it always takes about 30 minutes to get into the swing of things and those first 30 minutes for Mr. Christopher were a little testy ;)

But we quickly found our groove and Chris installed things while I laid them in place and cut all the boards down to size. It was a good system that kept me a little ahead of him and we actually got about 75% of the floor installed in about 90 minutes

When we got towards the end things slowed down a bit because there were some weird spots we had to cut around

But it really went relatively quickly and we were pretty happy about getting to work on it by the day's end.

The last step after getting all the boards down was taking the Fein and cutting down the lip of the tongue and groove on the side of the floor closest to the steps to give the floor a little bit more breathing room for expansion and contraction (that little gap and the wood will be covered by a riser)

But by about 4:30 we were DONE! It felt REALLY REALLY REALLY good. And of course I snapped the most awful picture this morning at 5am when the lighting was terrible and I'm too lazy to adjust the white balance

But hey, I gotta tackle a to do list before that little bugger wakes up :)

Doesn't the floor look AWESOME!? There's still A LOT to be done in here, even before the washer and dryer go in, ugh. Nothing to get you motivated to keep working like grown up and toddler laundry piling up. We did a load on Saturday morning before we got started, and my dad and Wendy's house is only 15 minutes away with a working washer and dryer, so we'll likely do at least one load there before things get put back in place in here. What's the list before the washer and dryer (and utility sink) go back in? Sand the walls, texture the walls, paint and prime, install baseboards, paint baseboards, install riser and trim piece from upper level to lower level and paint them. Phew!

But again, let us enjoy a finished floor and think about that to do list a couple hours from now :)

Happy Monday!


Week 4: Screw Dal-Tile

Remember how we had the countertop, backsplash and kitchen cabinet colors all picked out?

Weeelllll last week when we had a fabricator come in to take measurements to give us a rough estimate of what the fabrication and installation would cost they found a little wrinkle: we let them know that we were using a product called Trend Q 431 from Dal-Tile as the countertops. When we were at Dal-Tile we all really liked it and we ordered a sample of it. We told the unfriendly (and clearly unhelpful) woman behind the counter what material we were interested in using, where we would be using it ("in the kitchen in our house" was what my parents said) and we asked to order a sample. I even asked how much it was a slab: $1500. The sample didn't come for a couple weeks so I called again and inquired about it, told them where we were using it, and asked when it might arrive. Didn't hear a peep from Dal-Tile ever about anything special about the material. Then, when our fabricator called them to verify pricing and check on availability we got an annoying phone call: Dal-Tile had a minimum 10 slab purchase. WHAT!? It REALLY would have been helpful to find that out WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT PRICING AND TOLD YOU WHERE IT WAS BEING INSTALLED. I'm not sure I know of any kitchen in the world in a residential house that would require TEN SLABS to outfit it. Oy fucking vey.

So that set off an annoying series of events. My dad and Wendy (especially Wendy) really loved the counters. And they are pretty awesome. What sucks more is that the backsplash and kitchen cabinet color and wall color were all chosen after the material was picked out. There were Vetrazzo options that were similar, but that is horrendously expensive. Wendy and I tried to calm our freak out. I decided that Saturday we would go check out some other counters and we could look at more backsplash options. We could pick counters that would go with the existing backsplash (the top diamond tile above the counter material)...

...but we had soured on Dal-Tile and weren't super excited about buying any tile from them. Which would mean we should look at more tile places to switch out the bathroom floor as well

We already found the pebble for $3 cheaper a square foot, so we just needed to find something better than the Chevron.

Our fabricator was incredibly nice and asked what we liked about the counter material specifically and suggested a couple other brands with similar color combinations. They were super awesome. So Wendy and I headed to their showroom on Saturday morning to look at what they had. They had suggested a brand called Geos, and after looking at the website we had a color in mind we thought would be very comparable to the Dal-Tile counter. White Birch ended up being a pretty close match

original choice on the left, new one on the right

We looked around at several options. Wendy liked one or two others, but she didn't want to have to worry about picking out new cabinet colors or wall colors because that can quickly start an avalanche of choices that need to be changed. They let us borrow the Geos sample so we could bring it to the house and see how we liked it in the space.

We also went to another tile shop to look for new bathroom floor tile and possible new backsplash tile (Art Tile on Broadway for locals). We spent quite a lot of time there and although there were tiles we liked, nothing really compared to the backsplash Wendy and my dad already loved. The good news was that Art Tile could order the same tile (they work with that manufacturer as well) and get us a better price. Woo-hoo! They had a lot of options for the floor but there was one that really peaked our interest

Yes, I realize that's a lot of tile there, so here's a fancy key :)

The subway tile isn't too exciting. But we realized the old "Bone" color looked a little yellow, so we picked out a more neutral "shell" instead. Nothing too crazy, but still a little improvement. For the floor tile we picked out 12x24 tile that they had ripped down to 3x24 for the sake of being about to fit more color options on the sample board. It's got veining in it in shades of white, yellow, beige and slight shades of greenish/brown. We really liked the tile ripped down to 3x24 and will likely do that as well because the bathrooms aren't terribly deep and so we want to see some pattern on the floor.

My dad liked the picks when we were showing them to him on Sunday, but Wendy was having second thoughts about the counter choice. She liked it, but just wondered if there wasn't enough visual interest. What she liked about the original pick was the larger pieces of glass, and the new one had much less in terms of larger pieces (comparison again for reference)

There was a really cool piece of Silestone that Wendy had liked that I saw that she thought about again. I was excited because I had really liked that piece and it was my first choice. The reason we had chosen against it was because Wendy didn't want the avalanche of picking out different paint colors if it threw things off. It was a little brighter white and had flecks of metal in it. We told my dad about it (I had thought he would really like it - we have similar taste) and we decided that I would go back and pick up that sample as well, we'd bring it to the house also and see how it looked in the space

It's really difficult to photograph (especially with the camera on my phone because the damn camera battery died). But those darker pieces in the Silestone that look black are actually flecks of chrome-like metal. They reflect a lot of light and add a lot of interest. We reasoned that we might have to change the color for the bottom cabinets, but the wall color would probably stay the same. We haven't take the samples to the house yet, but that should be happening later today.

Phew! So that is the countertop saga. Was that long enough? :)

What else went on at the house last week?

Well, we found out that even though the wall here is a shear wall, we can still open up this doorway about a foot wider

That doorway being fairly narrow and the first thing right in front of you when you walk in the front door makes things feel closed off. So, luckily the engineer told us we can open it up to the right another 12-16" and even arch it to match the opening on the right of the above photo. Yay!

Chris and my dad have been hard at work replacing recessed lights

In much of the downstairs they installed these square, utilitarian recessed lights that are incredibly unattractive. So last week my dad and Chris took more than a dozen out and, patched and reinstalled 6" can lights

It definitely doesn't make for glamorous work, or make it feel like a ton is happening because there isn't a huge visual impact, but having better lighting will make the house feel less dark. And those lights reminded me of a school basement. They were horrendously unattractive.

We also called an audible and decided to work on this bathroom as well

Again, sorry for the crappy pic, I had to use the phone.

Originally we were just going to paint the cabinet and then call it a day. But, my parents figured they'd replace the counter, sink, etc. when they sold the house so we decided, why not do it now? The counter is so small anyway it'll be quick and not too invasive. This is a half bath with the toilet in a little alcove to the left of the sink so there really isn't too much to change. The floor will stay, the cabinet was already getting repainted, we picked out sinks and faucets for the upstairs bathrooms anyway, so we'll just use the same ones here. And he toilet has already been replaced (of course I forgot to take a picture).

There you have it, Week 4: annoying countertop discovery, different tile, lots of lighting being replaced, and a new bathroom to renovate :) Maybe, just maybe, we'll have all the paint selected this week :) I said fingers crossed last time, so I don't want to jinx it :)


Week 3: Some More Demo and Questions

We won't have as much visible progress as that first week at my dad and Wendy's for some time - not until paint or tile starts going up will things REALLY get exciting. But, nevertheless work has been plugging away. Chris was only able to be on the job one day last week, but my dad was there a decent amount. And we had lots of appointments again - the tile guy to try to firm things up before we accepted his proposal, the hardwood flooring installer to go over details of installation of all the plywood for the subfloor, and a plumber. Originally we didn't think we'd need a plumber, but we have to run some water lines to the other end of the kitchen for the built in coffee maker my dad and Wendy picked out, the same as the one we installed at their old house

...as well as the pot filler above the stove.

Those are certainly jobs Chris can do, but plumbing really is not his favorite and it would go much faster to have someone else install those. While they're at it they'll switch out the twenty year old biscuit toilets with these ones we picked out

They're American Standard Cadet 3 Flowise Concealed trapway toilets. We have LOVED the American Standard toilets we've used in our own house. Toto seems to be all the rage now, but honestly I don't think they're worth the extra money at all. In the 4 years we've had our cadet toilet it's clogged once, and that's from the asshole floor refinishers who I think did it on purpose. And we all thought the concealed trapway was pretty cool. It's also part of the water sense program and only uses 1.28 gpf. 

He'll also replace all the valves for all the showers and tub fillers (which is actually a ridiculous amount in this house), install sink faucets, etc. The biggest pluses are those water lines, but it's a "while you're here..." to get all the other stuff installed. It'll definitely speed things up. He's set to start on Monday, so that's exciting. 

Chris also worked on removing just a small portion of the bathroom wall in the master. It used to look like this

And after he removed about 6 inches, it looks like this

It wasn't a bug chunk we were able to remove (because of venting coming up from the kitchen)...

...but we all felt like it made a HUGE difference in bringing light into an otherwise sort of cavernous bathroom.

And along those cavernous lines...we decided not to open up the bathroom even more to use that nook from the bedroom. I know that will be a bit of a boo hoo for many of you readers because I got a lot of feedback to try and incorporate it, but we decided against it. I know, I'm a bit disappointed too because I was really advocating for it to my dad and Wendy, but there were a couple factors that played a part in deciding against it

1. Despite alllll the windows around the house, there are very few on the east side of the house. It's actually kind of strange. Nearly all the rooms have an abnormally large amount of windows - except the east side. In fact, in the entire house I can only think of 9 (and it's a 3 story house) and 3 of those are teeny tiny privacy windows in bathrooms. To give you an idea of how weird that is compared to the rest of the house: the master bedroom alone has 5. As a result of the lack of windows, the house feels incredibly dark in the morning and throughout the early part of the day. By afternoon when the sun is high in the sky and tipping west the house is gorgeously light filled. But it definitely is unnecessarily dark for the first 6 hours of the day. If these two windows were included in the bathroom it would certainly do a lot to make the bathroom be brighter, but it would make the master bedroom incredibly dark. And while some people might like that, my parents love light filled rooms and would rather have the bedroom be light filled instead of the bathroom.

2. Another question would be: what would we do with that HUGE shower? One of you fabulous (anonymous) readers passed along this gorgeous pic as an idea

found here
And while that is a fabulously gorgeous (and practical) idea, the master unfortunately already has a tub already - on the other side of the room

I scoured Pinterest to look for other inspirational images and thought about just having it be a giant shower with two heads on the same wall and a super wide bench along the other. Kind of like this

Huge Shower
found here
But I feared having a GIANT shower would just be a little weird. Especially because the bathroom is long and skinny and literally 1/3 of the bathroom would be the shower. That's a little strange.

3. The logistics would be a bit much to make that change as well. No matter what layout we chose (if we decided to make it bigger) it would involve a plumber. There are only two shower heads in there now right across from each other and if you enlarged it by nearly 3 times I figure you wouldn't want the two shower heads 3 ft from each other. That would feel a little cramped. You'd probably also move the drain. Also, new framing would be needed, as well as new waterproofing. It would be smart to replace the windows too because they're currently wood windows and even though you could try to seal them, it would be smart to have them be a different material in a wet space. Then, there would also be A LOT more tile.

4. Bleeding into the logistics factor is the cost all of that would entail. Chris and I were talking about it and with needing a plumber, new framing/waterproofing, possibly replacing two windows, needing to buy a lot more tile and more time spent installing said tile it could easily cost $10k to expand the shower. I know that sounds ridiculous, but just the cost for the tile for the space would be $700, and the tile for the shower is less than $10 sq ft.

I know, it sucks that it's not being incorporated. I fought for it because I really liked the idea. And, for as nice as the house is we have all agreed that it's a ho-hum master bathroom that was really not planned out very well, so that is a downside, but I just don't think it makes a lot of sense. I know everyone has their own opinion about things and many of you may be disappointed - and that is totally fair - but it just wasn't in the cards for us.

Alright, now onto other things...

We've been testing the shit out of paint samples

There are paint samples ALL OVER THE HOUSE. We've decided on about 2/3rds of the spaces and about half of the ones that are left all share the same area (foyer to stairs to hallway for example) so we want to make sure the color that is chosen looks great in all places (again, lots of light shifting because of lack of windows on the east side of the house). Want to know how many paint samples? Well, there are 65 colors we've gotten samples of that I've painted around the house. And because of all the light shifts there are probably an average of 3 little squares of each color in each room. So that's about 200 swatches of color I've painted on the walls. I know, I told you it was a lot. It may sound crazy, but we are picking out colors for the ENTIRE house all at once. So while you might pick out 2-6 colors to test in a given room when you're renovating, imagine doing that in every single room of your house all at once. It makes a lot more sense now. But HD is still very annoyed with me when I come in with my pad of paper and 19 samples I need mixed up :)

We've gotten the fireplace and hearth fully removed

Where the fireplace was on the left we've added the extra blocking because we'll be - gasp - covering it up. I know, a bit of a bummer, but because of all the windows throughout the house there is actually very little space to hang anything up on the main floor (in fact I can only think of really 3 walls that are big enough to hang something), and my parent's really like hanging up artwork and mirrors. And this house has two other fireplaces as well. We still need to remove some of the blocking on the right and a built in will be installed there. We're also still hoping to open up that doorway to the very far right of the above photo. Here's the view from the other side

That's the view BOOM right when you come through the front door. Again, another weird thing for this house - it's very open and spacious on the main floor, but these really tight openings and thick walls (along with a lowest ceiling on the entire floor right above you when you come in the front door) make the foyer feel a little less than exciting. The only problem is this is a pretty important wall structurally and because of how they've wired things we'd only be able to open it up about 9" at best. We have an engineer coming today to let us know if opening it up a little is okay, and what we'd have to do to make that happen.

Aaaaand last but not least, there's a question mark of what to do with this amazingly clean sink base cabinet

I told you it was clean :)

We've got to modify the cabinet anyway to accommodate the stainless steel farmhouse sink we got. And clearly the bottom needs to be replaced as well. The base is 48" (ridiculously huge, I know) and Wendy is jonesing for a garbage/recycling pull out as well so we'd need to add that. Because of those factors we're wondering if it would make more sense to just rebuild the whole thing and get fronts to match the rest of the cabinets. It's all a question of what's easiest/most cost effective. And we still haven't quite figured it out yet.

Alright. So there you have it: week 3. I know it's not super glamorous, but these beginning stages after demolition are all about solving the questions that come up and figuring out how to work around the things you encounter. My dad and Chris will be working on a lot of electrical the next two days, so hopefully we'll have a lot of the old recessed cans replaced and some new ones installed as well. Oh, AND hopefully we'll get all the paint picked out. Fingers crossed!


More Houses we Checked Out

I was waiting to write this post till at least one of these houses closed so I could see what it sold for, but one has been in escrow for over a month, 2 just went into escrow recently, and another just went on the market 3 days ago and I just don't have any patience anymore to wait. I need to share! :)

As you may remember Chris and I have started casually looking for a new house. (You can read more about that here.) We would really like more outdoor and storage space, but could do with a small house. We'd be willing to compromise on lot size if the house was in a really good walking area where we could walk to parks, get food, to the grocery store, etc.

With that, here are 4 houses we've checked out in the last 6 weeks or so...

1. Giant lot

This cute little house is on a 1.3 acre lot in Oakland. CRAZY. It's in a neighborhood where there are stupidly large houses with tennis courts, pools, basketball courts, etc. In other words: fancy neighborhood. But the house was on the market for the first time in 50 or so years, so it was much more modest. In other words: much more for us

There was carpet in the kitchen, it was small (not bad at all for us), but the layout unfortunately made it feel a lot smaller. The bathrooms definitely needed work, but hey, we love that kind of stuff, right?

The house was a pretty fair amount over our budget, but based on comps Chris and I felt it was pretty heavily over-priced - at least for what we thought it was worth. Because the market is so hot right now in Oakland people are of course (once again) willing to pay way over what houses are actually worth, so it's definitely a challenge to pay what you think a home should actually cost (and I guess who really determines worth, right? If someone is willing to pay way over asking, against comps, does that mean it's worth more?). And just because we love a home doesn't mean we're going to make a stupid financial decision. So, even though we really liked the home - we liked that it was within walking distance to schools, the lot was AMAZING - we didn't make an offer. We got close, but we decided it wasn't for us.

I emailed the agent a couple days after the "due date" for offers and it got 8, 3 of which were "very close to asking" she said. It definitely went for much more than Chris and I felt we wanted to pay, so we were very satisfied with our decision.

2. Tear Down with 50 steps to the front door

4300 Harbor View Ave, Oakland, CA 94619

This house came in much lower than our budget, which would allow for the significant work that needed to be done. It wasn't in a super desirable area for us, and the lot wasn't that big, but the house was listed with the lot next door as well, so that made it a little more interesting. Plus, the view was killer

4300 Harbor View Ave, Oakland, CA 94619

But, the house was a total piece of shit (lots and LOTS of cracks in the foundation), there were FIFTY steps to the front door, and the house wasn't even 900 square feet

4300 Harbor View Ave, Oakland, CA 94619

But, with the house being so far under budget, that would allow for a lot of work to be done. The only kicker is that it would need a SHIT ton of work. And it maybe even made more sense to tear the house down and rebuild. But that would mean it would go way over our budget and price out of the neighborhood (we thought). And because the terrain of the lot you'd still need to walk up a ton of stairs to get to the front door, which is a bit of a bummer.

The conclusion: no offer.

3. Two Blocks from the Lake

624 Hillsborough St, Oakland, CA 94606

This location was definitely super desirable, and as far as walkability, it's the best we've seen. The lot is smaller than we'd like (a bit bigger than our lot currently), but it's only two blocks from Lake Merritt, and a 10 minute walk to a really popular commercial area with a ton of great restaurants, grocery shopping, etc. (it's off of Lakeshore for you locals). It also had some crazy original previous owners

624 Hillsborough St, Oakland, CA 94606

And not to mention, more great views

624 Hillsborough St, Oakland, CA 94606

Other pluses? Practically laid out with great living spaces and a GIANT garage that was amazing for workspace. The downsides? The kitchen was way off in a corner, so it would make things feel a bit closed off. The lot was also a bit smaller and there was actually a huge amount of work that needed to be done to make it habitable. The house was not in great shape - ivy growing inside, the roof needed to be replaced immediately, the porch was pulling away from the house, there was a hole in one of the bathrooms, the disclosures showed the pest report wasn't cheap...there was a lengthy to do.

We're not afraid of a to do list (and are of course looking for a house with a big one), but it was already at the top of our budget and judging by all of the interest and it's location we were quite sure it was going to receive a ton of offers, and the one that was likely to win would probably end up being at least $100k over asking. It's still pending so I'm not sure the winning price, but Chris and I figured putting an offer on it was a waste of time.

4. The Backyard is a City Park

4011 Oakmore Rd, Oakland, CA 94602

Not too much to look at, right?

We went and looked at this house this past Sunday, and it was definitely an interesting one. It was really a fixer: no flooring installed on the main floor, bathrooms that needed to be gutted, a cantilevered deck that needed to be torn down and around $20k in leveling

4011 Oakmore Rd, Oakland, CA 94602

But there were definitely some elements that made it attractive: there was a lot of storage, ample bedroom space, a 2 car garage with an additional storage room right off of it, and even though the lot was smaller than the one we currently live on, a city park is LITERALLY your backyard

4011 Oakmore Rd, Oakland, CA 94602

But it also needed a lot of work, and a ton of it was structural, which isn't a lot of fun. Possibly the biggest downside for us though was the layout: it was a large house, but it was built on two stories with a bit of a weird set up that made it feel really broken up

4011 Oakmore Rd, Oakland, CA 94602

4011 Oakmore Rd, Oakland, CA 94602

And while it had a HUGE crawl space with potential for build out of another 600-900 square feet of livable space (for either yourself or to rent out), that meant that the backyard was two full stories down from the main living area, with the only access down the side of the house down a really small staircase. It just wasn't super practical. It was within walking distance to a commercial area, but Chris and I realized that we were trying hard to make things work, so it probably wasn't the house for us. And, again, it's in a really desirable neighborhood (Oakmore for locals) and will likely go way over asking (offers are due Thursday, only 6 days after it went on the market).

Sigh. I guess that means more houses need to be looked at. Let the adventure continue! (photos from here, here, here and here)